Episode Transcript
[00:00:05] You're listening to The Love Vox with psychotherapist Amynah Dharani.
Happy October, everyone. I'm your host, Amynah Dharani, and I am so excited to be here with you today. This is the podcast for people who are passionate about the human condition by people who are equally passionate voices in their field.
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Fall is one of my favorite seasons. I enjoy the cooler air, the beautiful colors, and the smell of mulled spices.
A feature of fall that I really enjoy is Halloween.
I love the spooky stories, the scary movies, the costumes, and the overall festivities of the season.
A city that comes alive in October and during Halloween is Salem, Massachusetts.
Salem was first settled by the English colonists in 1626, and it was incorporated soon after in 1629, I first learned of Salem in school and was fascinated by its history and specifically the Salem witch trials for which Salem is known. The city and its history still captivate me today.
However, as a psychotherapist, I am both baffled and saddened by the mass hysteria and by what the falsely accused people went through in 1692.
I am, of course, referring to the infamous Salem witch trials.
Imagine being a young girl in Salem in 1692.
You're experiencing bizarre fits that bewilder and terrify your family and community, and your struggles are mistakenly attributed to witchcraft rather than a deeper psychological or emotional issue.
But the madness didn't stop with just the afflicted girls. The tangled web of social interactions and rivalries made for a perfect storm.
Many of the accused were social outcasts or rivals of the influential families in Salem.
And unfortunately, when fear and jealousy mix, the unthinkable can happen.
The Salem witch trials remain a haunting chapter in American history, provoking thoughts not only about fear and scapegoating but also about collective psychological experiences that resonate even in current times.
Our guest today has deep knowledge of the Salem witch trials and has family members who are direct descendants of the falsely accused and executed. Let's go meet her friends. I have here with me Nicole Gallant-Nunes. Nicole is a professional genealogist and genetic genealogist with over 20 years of experience. She specializes in colonial, New England, Acadian, and French-Canadian research. Welcome, Nicole.
[00:03:26] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here.
[00:03:30] Amynah Dharani: Nicole, I've been waiting to ask you this. Why did you become a genealogist?
[00:03:36] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: I think it starts. It started for me like it does for a lot of people, where they're curious about where they come from, who they come from, the locations and so I began like most people do, and I started with my own family. I wanted to learn about where everything about them interested me, you know, what they did for a living, did they move places? How many children did they have? And I wanted to fill in all those little gaps besides just the names and the dates. And so, I really got into the digging aspect of it. I knew enough about my mom's side. I knew that both of my maternal grandparents were from small towns in Naples, Italy.
And I didn't really know too much about my dad's side, except that they were French-Canadian from Canada. And so, with them having passed by that point, I wanted to dig into it. And I think that really sparked my interest in those areas, particularly because I didn't have that deep connection to start with.
And it just. It really interested me to learn. I had always been interested in history, so I really wanted to dig into my people's history. And I went from there. And I always say it's like a puzzle. It's putting together a puzzle, and it's a treasure hunt at the same time. And I love it just as much as I do now, as much as I did then. I love it just as much now. So it's great.
[00:04:59] Amynah Dharani: I like that. I like that description. It's a puzzle as well as a treasure hunt. What wonderful treasures you go digging for.
Given that we have services such as ancestry.com, why would somebody come to you? What would be different in what you're offering to the public?
[00:05:15] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: I mean, ancestry, I can't say enough good things about them. And the other genealogy sites that are out there, they're fantastic. They're databases of all these records. Billions of records are available at our fingertips from our homes, and that wasn't always available, which is.
It's unbelievable to have that now. I think the issue with those sites comes in the form of what the users are putting on there. A lot of the times, the trees, the family trees that people are making, they're not documented, they're not sourced.
You know, and I could say Queen Elizabeth is my grandmother. But if I'm not backing it up and if someone stumbles across that and they're following my inadequate sourcing, it leads to trouble. So when you go on, you really need to be following the records in the database rather than looking for hints. You know, you can use them as hints, but you want to really be focusing on the records and the vital record sources rather than looking at a family tree and copying what someone else has done, because you don't know where they got that information.
[00:06:19] Amynah Dharani: That's really good to know. Really, really good to know. Now, you know why I have you here. And, you know, Halloween is upon us, and you are in Massachusetts and specifically in Denver, Salem area, and the witchcraft trials. I mean, I've been to Salem in October, and it just becomes alive.
There is so much interest, and I wanted you to come on today to the show to really share the true history about those who I consider persecuted.
[00:07:02] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: Right.
[00:07:02] Amynah Dharani: They're falsely accused as witches.
Through your work as a genealogist, you have discovered that they are over a million descendants of the wrongfully accused. Can you share some of those famous descendants? We'd love to hear that.
[00:07:18] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: Sure. Yeah. It's surprising to know that there's so many people that descend from. We think of them as a small group. Right. There were 20 that were executed. A few. Several more died in jail awaiting their trials. And so from that small group, you wouldn't think that there would be as many, but there are. So they have this great website, I think it's called famouskin.com. and you can kind of go on and look at the family trees of famous people and how they connect to, like, the famous people of history.
And there's also some really great genealogy shows on tv. Now, who do you think you are finding your roots? And they've actually had guests on that have connected back to the Salem witch trials, which kind of brings that time period into the genealogical era, which is really cool. Wow.
[00:08:05] Amynah Dharani: Absolutely.
[00:08:06] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: So I guess one of them that they had on there was actress Claire Danes. So she descends, I believe it was Margaret Scott, who was hung in Salem, and then another actor was Scott Foley. So he descends from Samuel Wardwell, who also was executed, sadly. But there's presidents. There's a lot of presidents. Some descend directly. Some are cousins. So President William Howard Taft is a descendant of George Jacobs, like my husband. So they're distant cousins.
[00:08:37] Amynah Dharani: Wow.
[00:08:38] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: Actress Kira Sedgwick is also George Jacobs. Walt Disney is a descendant of Reverend George Burrows, who was also hung. You have actress Lucille Ball, astronaut Alan Shepard, poet Ralph Waldo Emerson, and then you have the author Nathaniel Hawthorne, who was descendant of a judge in the trials.
[00:09:00] Amynah Dharani: Right. And you're taking me straight to my second point, which is you have a personal connection with the trials, and that would be your husband's connection.
[00:09:10] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: Right.
[00:09:12] Amynah Dharani: Please share. How did you discover all this?
[00:09:15] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: Basically by doing his family tree starting, like everybody does, and working back and his. So hits his maternal side with very, very deep roots. In Maine, in York County, I was not expecting to get back into Massachusetts in the town that we were both born, raised, and still live in. That was like, how are we back here?
That was really interesting. And so I ended up finding George Jacobs as a direct ancestor to his. I think it's like his ten times great grandfather. And sadly, George was hung. In 1692, he was accused by several people, including it was his servant that started the accusation. And then, sadly, his own granddaughter accused him in the end because she. She admitted later she had to, to save her own life.
They wanted names, and she's like, well, the damage is a little bit, you know, kind of done for grandpa, so I'll just put him in.
And so I realized that it was from George Sr to George Jr—his son, who was also accused, along with his wife, Rebecca. George Junior fled. He took off. He saw what was happening. He was like, nope, I'm done. He fled. We think he went to Maine for the time being. Some people say he left the country, but, you know, maybe to Canada.
But his wife, Rebecca, was stuck. She got arrested. She was in jail for many months. Thankfully, she was exonerated. But the young children were taken in by neighbors at the time because there was no parent there to take care of them. And so my husband then descends through George III, who was born in Salem, and then he ended up going to Maine, which is why we think he kind of had an idea that Maine was a good place to go from maybe his dad.
And so that's where the line continued down. And it actually married into the lines of accusers, which is how fascinating. It's daunting.
[00:11:02] Amynah Dharani: I suppose it was small enough. Everybody's related to Maine.
[00:11:06] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: It's like they both. The families both ended up going to Maine and finding each other generations later. And you see the name of the Jacobs line, and you see the name of the descendants. It was the Ingersoll family that had accused and had been involved with the trials. And to see their names on a document, and you're like, wow. They married generations later. Almost like the world. The earth is making reparations for something bad that happened, you know, to kind of bring it back around and give something positive to it, make a new generation of combined families, which I thought was really cool to see.
[00:11:42] Amynah Dharani: Now, Rebecca Nurse is also somebody who your husband descends from.
[00:11:48] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: Yep. Yeah.
[00:11:49] Amynah Dharani: So it was very interesting.
[00:11:51] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: Yeah, it's like, through. It was one of her sister's lines. So it's as a great aunt and stuff. And what's interesting is Rebecca Nurse is very in the mainstream. Her home still stands. It's a historic site. You can visit it. I was just there a couple of weeks ago for a talk about George Jacobs, a little lecture on him and how his bones were recovered, which was really interesting. And so I think she's in the forefront because it's a visible reminder of her. You can learn about it. And she was just so innocent. Both of them were older people, her and George. They really caused no trouble in terms of, they went to church and just living their lives, and you wonder, how did that happen? You would think it would be. And I guess in the beginning, it was the outsiders that kind of got accused first, the ones that didn't quite fit the norm of what they wanted. But then it was just these wholesome people, like a reverend, like, how did we. I don't know how we got there, but she was just living her life. She was a mother and grandmother, and so she's both her and George. The family stories was that their bodies were recovered after they were hung in Salem City and brought back to their homesteads. And so Rebecca is believed to be buried there on the land. They put up a great memorial for her in the family cemetery.
And then George was recovered from his homestead during construction. It was like, 1854, I believe. They finally removed him from the land, and then he was placed at the Rebecca nurse homestead, interred there, because it's a preserved site. And so that's his. That will be his final resting place. So it's interesting to see the two families again coming back together in the end.
[00:13:37] Amynah Dharani: Nicole, why did they go after Rebecca nurse and her husband?
They had substantial land, correct?
[00:13:46] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: Yeah, they did. And it was all of them. It was. I think it was really. I wish I could say how this all started. There was a lot of disputes in the town at that time between land and borders. There were, like, court proceedings going on. Everyone was suing each other for different things. Tensions were high. Some families were on the side of, we want to have a church here in Danvers with our own minister. And kind of the other half of the town was kind of like, we can just go to Salem. You know, Salem town just a few miles away. We don't need that expense. We don't need it. And so everyone was butting heads about various things. And a lot of the issues seem to. I think there was, like, 180 cases that involved the Putnam family of Danvers. And they also were in a lot of these court proceedings. And so you have to wonder if it was like a personal vendetta of some kind, just to be spiteful and the idea of witchcraft had been around for centuries in other countries as well, so it's not like it was new. There were rumblings of it elsewhere. My ancestors were involved in it up in Acadia, in the Canadian Maritimes at this time, my ancestors were accusers. Unfortunately, there was a man that lived up there that they thought because cows in the village were dying, at one point, he got in an altercation with another man and, like, blew into his eye like a motion. And then the man ended up dying. And so they said, well, it's witchcraft. And so they. My ancestors were like, yes, I know. I've had trouble with him before. My ancestor, Michelle Hache de Gallant, where I get my name from, actually arrested the man, brought him to jail, went through all the proceedings and everything. So it was a hard time everywhere, I think. But the point was, it didn't get further than that. They brought him before the court. They heard it in Salem. We were using spectral evidence that was allowed. What someone. What does that mean?
[00:15:51] Amynah Dharani: Spectral evidence?
[00:15:52] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: So that would be what someone says they saw. They heard, they felt.
I saw the apparition of George Jacobs. I saw Rebecca Nurses.
These people were.
[00:16:03] Amynah Dharani: They were taking kind of.
These accusations were really almost hearsay, would you say?
[00:16:10] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: I mean, this is just somebody physical. From what I have seen, no physical evidence of anything, you know? But then they would get the other accusers to corroborate. You saw his ghost, his apparition also. Right. And then they would kind of all. Yes, I did. I. I saw a man walking with two canes, which George Jacob did. He was. He was 80 years old. And they said, we saw, you know, this apparition of him with two canes, and he beat me with the canes, and they would show these marks, and they would put on these hysterics that are, like, Oscar worthy. How do you refute that? How could you, as George or Rebecca, stand there and say, I didn't do it, when they're all saying the same thing? Like, we saw it, we felt it. We know that it was you working through the devil. You know, not them themselves, but their. Their specters.
[00:16:59] Amynah Dharani: It's important to note we're talking about 17th century Salem, Massachusetts. 17th century, 1692. What is life like?
I've been to Massachusetts a number of times and visited Rebecca Nurse's homestead, and to be able to put ourself in that landscape, that geography, and then to understand the country was so young.
[00:17:33] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: It was, yeah. And I think that the biggest part to take away from it were these settlers. They were mostly puritan settlers. They had a very deep belief in God and their religion, and to go along with it, a very real fear of the devil and looking for signs and omens and superstitions of this evil that they felt like was probably out to get them at every turn. So they were just always on edge, I think, in terms of that. They had. It was a bustling community. I mean, they settled there years before farming and fishing and going about their regular lives as other places around the time period did. I think my ancestors in Acadia and Canada were the same. They're working the land. They're trading, they're going to taverns, and they're trying to educate their children as best they can on the household tasks, trying to raise the militia. There was a lot of fighting with the native american tribes, of course, because we took their land, so, of course, they were fighting back, and so they were hearing these stories from Maine, particularly in 1692. The raid on York was devastating to my husband's side of the family. He lost many ancestors there, and so they're hearing these stories, and they're also getting these people coming into town that were relocated from these destroyed villages, and they're telling these horror stories. There's also a very hard winter going on at the time. Very, very cold. People are indoors. Sickness is spreading, as it does. And so that climate of tension between the neighbors, there's the lawsuits and the land disputes. Everyone's a little bit more on edge than maybe they would have been otherwise. It was a perfect storm for Salem to really culminate into something that didn't end up great. For sure.
[00:19:18] Amynah Dharani: From a psychological perspective, I see it as this mass delusion that really got out of hand did come to an end.
How did that happen?
[00:19:31] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: I think, finally people realized, we can't keep doing this. And it was really perpetuated by the spectral evidence. It was really perpetuated by, once they had someone, they were basically told, if you confess, you're going to spare your life, but we're going to need you to convict other people and name them. And so it spread like wildfire in that sense, because one person would give the name of three others and three others, and by the end of it, there were hundreds of people that were accused, and they were sitting in jail, and that was profitable to a lot of people.
Yeah, they're paying for their room and board. They have to. Of course, if they're executed, their property is seized. And so it was lining the pockets of a lot of the people that were in charge of all of this. And so that's something people don't think about a lot. Why? Why it got as bad as it did? Why did it go on for as long as it did?
[00:20:27] Amynah Dharani: You know, there was economic benefit to a whole bunch of people.
[00:20:30] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: Sure. Yeah. And it seems like the same people were involved every time where Judge John Hathorne would sign his name to things and George Corwin would go out and he would sees the property, and it was like a perpetual cycle. And so it finally ended with a lot of these accusers not even realizing before this at all turned into what it did. They didn't realize it was going to turn into this. I really don't think they had malice in their heart to kill people over this. I really think they were bored girls who, for some, maybe had a grudge and just.
It turned into something way worse than they thought. And so eventually they did a lot, did apologize and confessed that they had lied. Margaret Jacobs was one. George Jacobs granddaughter pled for his life. Please.
I was trying to save my own life. They told me if I named people, I would be spared. And I was selfish and I wanted to save my own life. And I guess she went to the jail before her grandfather, George Jacobs was hung. And Reverend George Barrosi accused him as well and begged for forgiveness. And her grandfather did forgive her. He actually rewrote his will to include. To leave a gift for her. He understood. What else can you do?
[00:21:43] Amynah Dharani: Wow. What a generous man.
Now, Salem in October. It is very commercialized.
[00:21:51] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: Oh, yeah.
[00:21:52] Amynah Dharani: I mean, I am glad that it gets the attention, and it is very commercialized.
What would you like the listeners to be aware of and perhaps respectful of when visiting Salem? And I highly encourage everybody to visit Salem.
[00:22:11] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: Absolutely. It's a whole. It takes on a life of itself. And it really starts even before, right now, in the end of September. We call it September because it really has a life of its own. We have people from all over the world that come, and there's a lot to do. And it's just a whole. It's a whole vibe that a lot of people that are really into Halloween get into. I think the actual history gets a bit lost there and remembering that these were real people, these were real lives that were lost. They had real families, and they're real descendants that live today. And so I think that kind of gets lost a little bit with just the seriousness of it, because there's not that I can think of any other time where innocent lives were lost, where it's made to be like a kitschy slogan or you wear a cool t shirt that says, like, salem 1692 with a witch with a broom, and it says, like, you missed one, as if to say, like, I'm a witch that they miss. And I'm like, I get it. And I get that that's the fun of it. I just don't want it to get lost, that my husband could be walking down the street and kind of go, oh, man, like that. It's someone's family, and it's someone's history. And I think we need to learn from what happened. Take it in, do the fun stuff, but also do it justice to learn about the actual events, learn about the people, and just kind of have a well rounded, informational background to kind of judge your trip on. You know, do the fun stuff, do the kitschy stuff, but do the historical stuff, too. Go around, see these sites, and realize why Salem is known for what it is. It's deeper than just the fun of.
[00:23:48] Amynah Dharani: I'll share my. My top three, the Salem Witch Museum. But the other three points of interest for me. Rebecca Nurse Homestead. I am transported to 17th century New England. That was really moving. And I will be sharing some of my video footage with the audience, of course, the House of Seven Gables, the history behind that. And we are going to be speaking on Nathaniel Hawthorne's connection in our next episode.
And the cemetery, for me, the cemetery in town is so moving.
These are real people buried there. They existed, and it's.
Yeah, for me, it just becomes sacred ground. And, of course, there's a separate memorial for those that were executed.
[00:24:47] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: It's definitely. Those are my top recommendations as well. Even here in Danvers, we have a memorial which is just down the street, you know, from. Actually, right now, the Nathaniel Ingersoll Tavern is still standing. It's in terrible disrepair. We're trying very hard with the town to work with the owner. He lives out of state, and just. It's been abandoned and neglected, and we're trying to preserve it. It's a historical part of our area.
[00:25:12] Amynah Dharani: I think it's important.
[00:25:13] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: Absolutely is. And so that's something. It's a private home, but you can drive by. You can see it. Just down the street is the Samuel Parris. It's like the remnants of the basement area of what was his homestead. And that's kind of where it all started with Tituba and the afflicted girls. It really started there. And you can stand in the footsteps of these. This homestead, and it just makes you wonder, what were they thinking? It evokes so much emotion. You go to the cemeteries and the old headstones and you wonder, what is your. What was your life like? How did you pass away? A lot. You know, living to 40 or 50 was a blessing then. And you have George Jacobs living to 80, and it's like, wow, what kind of life did you see to be born in England and come here and then for this to happen, that's how it ends for you. And same with Rebecca Nurse. It just.
It's mind-boggling. And I think all of the important sites should be visited. Just in the last few years, they did Proctor Ledge. They made a nice memorial there where they believe that the hangings actually took place. And they put up a nice memorial there just to get. Just to see everything, really. You can't go wrong with spending a day or two learning the history. And Danvers has a lot, you know, the. The Danvers of Insane Asylum was another one we were kind of going to touch.
[00:26:26] Amynah Dharani: Yes, please, please say a little bit about that. I saw the movie session nine, and so that's how I know about that.
[00:26:32] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: So, yeah, that's how a lot of people kind of come on. And it was one of many in the United States at the time. There was a need for mental institutions, and they weren't always mentally ill people. There was the hysteria of when you go through menopause, and everyone thought you were crazy at that time. And so they just.
[00:26:50] Amynah Dharani: For the audience to be clear, we're talking about a different time in history. We're talking like 19th century when that.
[00:26:56] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: Asylum, perhaps this was like the 1850s. I believe it opened in like 1858. It was on the land that William Hawthorne, when he first arrived from England, he said, that's the connection.
[00:27:07] Amynah Dharani: Gotcha.
[00:27:07] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: Right? Yep. So his son, John Hawthorne, became the judge, one of the judges of the Salem witch trials. And so he had that land, and then of course, it changed hands. And it's a very prominent, you know, hill in the town. We're not a very hilly area here in eastern Massachusetts, so it's like, oh, it's up, it's up there. You can see it from a distance. And so the property became the Danvers Insane Asylum, the Danvers state hospital. That's what it became. And it housed, it was supposed to house in the beginning, about 500 patients. And then it ended up being about 2000, severe overcrowding, as, as happens, and I think it's known because even all across the United States, it really became inhumane methods of treating these patients. Think shock therapy, lobotomies.
[00:27:53] Amynah Dharani: Nicole, you're giving me idea for a whole other episode, just on the history of mental health and how we took care of the mentally ill. And I definitely would like to focus on that in a separate episode and just make it focus.
In wrapping up, what would you like people to take away about the Salem witchcraft trials?
[00:28:18] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: I think it's important to remember, of course, that these are real lives. We try to look back now and try to understand, how did this happen?
We have this sense of this amazing advancement in science. Right. We know so much more than they did then, but you have to remember that these were people living in their own moment. Things got way out of hand. And so I help a lot of descendants of the witch trials in my work. And so they often ask me, is it okay to be mad that this happened 100%? Is it okay to hate my ancestor for being on the wrong side of it? I think that's valid, too. But it's really important to remember that we are not the worst thing we've ever done. We are more than the worst thing we've ever done. There are like, you know, George Jacobs was known as being gruff and short tempered and argumentative. But then he forgave his own granddaughter for basically condemning him to die. And so you have to take the grace. You can't pick who's in your family tree. There's bad apples. There's good apples. You learn from the ones that we aren't the proudest of. Right. And we don't want this to repeat itself in any way. And there's been worse things. The Holocaust was less than 100 years ago. How did that, in our modern time, how did that happen?
[00:29:33] Amynah Dharani: Persecution. Absolutely.
[00:29:35] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: So we can look back and say, well, we learned from it, but did we? What could happen tomorrow? Those ongoing wars? Now, how are we not learning? How are we not learning?
[00:29:44] Amynah Dharani: Absolutely. Absolutely. Nicole, thank you so much for all your knowledge, and I look forward to our next episode.
[00:29:52] Nicole Gallant-Nunes: Thank you so much for having me. I had so much fun.
[00:29:57] Amynah Dharani: Welcome back. So, friends, what do you think of these Salem witch trials?
For me, the infamous Salem witch trials serve as a reminder, a disturbing reminder of how fear can lead to tragedy.
In Salem, Massachusetts, more than 150 individuals faced accusations of witchcraft. Of these, 19 were executed by hanging, and one was pressed to death.
History and psychology tell us that when people feel threatened, they find a scapegoat.
In Salem, the scapegoats were those without the women, the elderly, and the marginalized individuals.
This community's unrest became a breeding ground for accusations of witchcraft.
It became a way the accusers could express their personal grievances and at a great cost for the accused.
In Salem, passion reigned over reason, and that led to dire consequences.
Mass hysteria played a significant role in the proceedings. When the young girls of Salem began displaying strange symptoms, the puritan community interpreted them as signs of witchcraft.
This phenomenon isnt merely historical. It mirrors how group dynamics can distort reality in modern contexts.
With their lives under threat, the Puritans rigid worldview no longer served as protection. Instead, it became a weapon used against each other.
As the hysteria grew, so did the inability of defendants to mount a proper defense. How could you defend yourself against accusations so far removed from reality?
The environment didnt just promote suspicion, it snuffed rational discourse.
Imagine living at a time when fear could condemn you to death, not for a crime you committed, but for accusations rooted in paranoia and superstition.
How do these historical echoes resonate in our modern world?
The events of the Salem witch trials are not merely relics of the past. They resonate today. As we navigate complex societal issues, what safeguards do we have in place to prevent similar horrors and injustice?
I believe understanding the psychological dynamics at play is key to answering these questions.
As you explore this chapter of history, remember the complex relationship of the factors of 17th-century New England. The Puritan faith, societal conflicts, and personal grievances all contributed to the chaos.
Salem in 1692 teaches us valuable lessons about the dangers of mass hysteria and the need for rational discourse.
I believe a vigilant eye must always remain towards injustice and the human urge to blame others in times of trouble.
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